Posts by Nathan Natas

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When did the governing body go from 12 to 7 members?

by Tameria2001 in

i have been out and away from that cult since 2001. back then there were 12 members of the governing body, and now i'm learning that number has come down to 7. when did this change take place, and what was their reason for dropping the number?.

Nathan Natas

Q.: When did the governing body go from 12 to 7 members?

A.: When five of 'em died.

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Passing ships in the night and the disobedient compassionate brother #2

by The Marvster in

hi all, i've been away from the forum for many months, perhaps 9mths?

well if you were around back then you might remember the title of this post in reference to happening upon two brothers on separate occasions and their reactions to me being 'not what i expected of jw's.

something unexpected happened a few days ago.

Nathan Natas

I had been wondering about that.

Fascinating story!

Glad it worked out well.

Keep us informed, please.

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Old People Ask..."I'm 88, and my girlfriend is 83, why do we need a chaperone?"

by TimeBandit in

here's the latest episode of old people ask.

this episode focuses on chaperones.

why oh why do old people need them?

Nathan Natas

But what if you were to bump uglies like Horndog Abraham and Flapper-Girl Sarah and you got yourselves preggo? Don't expect the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses to raise yer little luv-basterd for ya.

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How the Bethel family responded to the bethel layoffs (profanity warning ***)

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think we can say many of those laid off no longer trust the governing body because of being lied to repeatedly over so many things.

things are getting very explosive at the governing body's home location kind of ties right in with being moved to a seriously pcp contamined chemical dump site, in fact bad karma has come to rest where ever these stupid lying clowns go.

these gbs are a bunch of real ass holes and they treat the faithful shit and expect them to just take it like a bunch of dummy drones.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8kuldpksze.

Nathan Natas

Thanks very much for sharing your experience with us. It is tragic that you and so many others were treated so badly by an organization you served with a willing heart.

I was a pioneer and an MS when I was much younger. Although I lived in NYC, the idea of going to Bethel NEVER appealed to me, maybe because I knew too many Bethelites of various ages and just knew intuitively I would not fit in or enjoy the regimented lifestyle.

I have had a couple of experiences during my employment history of needing to find a new job because of cutbacks.

The first time it happened to me I was in my teens, working for a Brother who I still feel was like an Uncle to me. He sold his business and the property it was in when he came down with "1975 Fever" and decided he was going to pioneer his way thru Armageddon. Anyway, he told me my job with him was ending, but he used his family connections to make sure I had another job to go to. He was, as I suggested, a good guy. His pioneering career lasted until he ran out of money, and he was forced by circumstances (he had a large family to support) to take a job at a large commercial company where he was just another employee. I don't think he loved that job, but he loved his family and did what he had to do to support them.

Years later I was working for a company that got into financial trouble and was sold to a new owner. The employees were treated like they were furniture - it was "assumed" that they would transition right across and work for the new guy like nothing happened. Problem was, I didn't like the new guy, and the Friday before I was supposed to start working with him I acted like, "gee... you never told me I had a job here (he hadn't), so I assumed you didn't need me. I got a new job." He was speechless, the chimp.

At another company they made a MAJOR change in our employee medical insurance program and because they thought we were stupid, they called the new plan the ADVANTAGE program. ALL of the employees made a mockery of that, just so management would understand what they thought, but there are times you just have to roll with the punches life throws at you, so in that case we did. We couldn't change the program.

Years later I worked for a company that decided that the entire company division I worked for had to be eliminated so the Board of Directors could continue to give our chowderhead CEO his annual performance bonus. Three thousand guys and gals lost their jobs, but those who took advantage of the company's "savings/investment plan" got their savings and about a $50k severance pkg. Did Bethel ever offer anyone a "savings/investment plan"? Of course not. Do they offer a severance pkg? Don't be silly.

A person working in the real world has an opportunity to seek the wisdom of financial planning experts rather than the whiz-dumb of "Jehovah's Brightly Shining Ones" who can't even do arithmetic. Assuming one has some skills and applies themselves to advancing their career, over a working career it is possible to save $2 million or more for a retirement nest egg. Look at how nicely Bill Clinton has done!

Just DON'T listen to Jehovah or his self-appointed organization.

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After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

by quincemyles in

after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

Nathan Natas

This has been like watching a scorpion battle a tarantula, fascinating in an almost-morbid way, and irrelevant.

Simon, I will be showing up at your house tomorrow morning with myATV and will leave donuts ALL OVER your lawn. You're welcome. Please leave the entire US under the old oak tree; you know the one.

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Listen to Terri O'Sullivan XJW on Croydon Radio !

by Phizzy in

terri o'sullivan was interviewed by croydon radio for a programme called "leap of faith", it was broadcast on sunday.. she does a great job of showing how wacky and weird the jw beliefs and practices are, the interviewer asks perceptive questions, either he was well briefed by terri or he is an ex jw !.

she also gives info.

on her meetup group for xjw's, great fun !.

Nathan Natas

Good show! Terri "represented" well; articulate and informed. Good job, Terri!

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YMCA?

by LifesNotOver in

my husband's gone to his meeting and i'm catching up with folks here on our forum.

i'm sure i'm having a better time :) anyway, was just following some posts regarding the un and there happened to be a copy of a magazine article stating brothers wouldn't want to be joining the "y" because it was "christian".

i think this was back in the 1950's (maybe not).

Nathan Natas

Such openness, honesty and transparency are unfamiliar to The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.

Clearly, the YMCA sees itself as "a world-wide Christian, ecumenical... movement."

Based on this, I would suppose that unless the WTB&TS has undergone a major shift in attitude, any JW who joined the YMCA today might be subject to disfellowshipping for being allied with an organization that is "in opposition" to Jehovah's Magic Kingdom.

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YMCA?

by LifesNotOver in

my husband's gone to his meeting and i'm catching up with folks here on our forum.

i'm sure i'm having a better time :) anyway, was just following some posts regarding the un and there happened to be a copy of a magazine article stating brothers wouldn't want to be joining the "y" because it was "christian".

i think this was back in the 1950's (maybe not).

Nathan Natas

While I'm waiting to see if the US YMCA will respond to my email, I thought I would see what the International HQ of the YMCA had to say about their organization. They are much more transparent than the US organization.

On http://www.ymca.int/ under "Who we are: Mission" we are told:

"The World Alliance of YMCAs was founded in 1855 at its first World Conference, held in Paris. At that time, conference participants developed the YMCA’s first mission statement, the Paris Basis.

Since then, the YMCA’s mission statement has been interpreted to reflect contemporary realities, first in 1973 with the Kampala Principles, and most recently in 1998 with Challenge 21.

Challenge 21, adopted at the 14th World Council of YMCAs, Frechen, Germany, 1998 states that:

“Affirming the Paris Basis adopted in 1855 as the ongoing foundation statement of the mission of the YMCA, at the threshold of the third millennium we declare that the YMCA is a world-wide Christian, ecumenical, voluntary movement for women and men with special emphasis on and the genuine involvement of young people and that it seeks to share the Christian ideal of building a human community of justice with love, peace and reconciliation for the fullness of life for all creation.

Each member YMCA is therefore called to focus on certain challenges which will be prioritized according to its own context. These challenges, which are an evolution of the Kampala Principles, are:

• Sharing the good news of Jesus Christ and striving for spiritual, intellectual and physical well-being of individuals and wholeness of communities.

• Empowering all, especially young people and women to take increased responsibilities and assume leadership at all levels and working towards an equitable society.

• Advocating for and promoting the rights of women and upholding the rights of children.

• Fostering dialogue and partnership between people of different faiths and ideologies and recognizing the cultural identities of people and promoting cultural renewal.

• Committing to work in solidarity with the poor, dispossessed, uprooted people and oppressed racial, religious and ethnic minorities.

• Seeking to be mediators and reconcilers in situations of conflict and working for meaningful participation and advancement of people for their own self-determination.

• Defending God’s creation against all that would destroy it and preserving and protecting the earth’s resources for coming generations. To face these challenges, the YMCA will develop patterns of co-operation at all levels that enable self-sustenance and self-determination.”

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clever

by jookbeard in

like this!.

Nathan Natas

WOW, >>that<< is diabolical!

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What the Org Teaches #8 "Jehovah's Witnesses" is Our Scriptural Name!

by The Searcher in

#8 "jehovah's witnesses" is our scriptural name!

jehovah's witnesses are taught (and believe) by their hierarchy in brooklyn that the name of their religion is based on the bible itself.

a little bit of research comprehensively reveals that the statement which was written in isaiah 43:10 about the jewish nation 700 years before christians appeared, has been corruptly and un-scripturally adopted as a "god-given" name.

Nathan Natas

LOL, Outlaw!

You had to really s-t-r-e-t-c-h for that one, but you got it!